Frans de Waal and Isabella Rossellini

Eminent primatologist Frans de Waal might liken a power struggle among chimpanzees, replete with schmoozing and scheming, to an episode of Succession. de Waal has drawn parallels between primate behaviors at times to hilarious effect, like when a capuchin monkey pelts a lab assistant with a cucumber, and at times to terrible effect, like when a bonobo orphan suffers the unmistakable pain of emotional trauma. Though our similarities abound, so do our differences. Isabella Rossellini–a student of animal behavior and the creator of the natural sciences video series Green Porno–joined Frans de Waal to discuss his most recent book, Different.

Kari worked with PW’s science team to curate the event, book the guests, research and script the conversation, and produce it along with companion pop-ups.